Meltron the Invincible
K, so I know Gundam Wing pretty dang well, and I know how good the pilots are, what with taking on 50 or so enemy Mobile Suits and coming out with nary a scratch. But since I live in Canada, I don't get to watch NGE. So, I decided to do a little research on the show. So, I typed in the keyword, clicked on the first link, and what do I see? A brown haired girl, floating in mid air, and wearing a friggin' thong!
O... K... Maybe I should look past that... and I did... I guess...
So, now I decide to look at the actual stats of the Angels. (Heh, me doing actual RESEARCH? Who woulda thunk it?) You think I could find any? Pheh, hah, yeah right. But, I at least looked at the PICTURES... and found... an floating octahedron. A FREAKIN' FLOATING OCTAHEDRON! WHAT THE HECK?
But anyway, I looked past THAT, and wondered how the Angels worked. That's when I found out that Angels isn't a name. It's a title. These "robots" are actually angels. Gimme a break! Neon Genesis Evangelion is just a sad excuse to get girls to watch a big robots anime show! And in my opinion, that'll just make sure they get beaten like Star Trek at Grudge Match.
Harley Quinn points out the "cute chick" factor of this match. She says that the hottness of the Eva girls will win over the fanboys, but she fails to anticipate the "cute chick" factor of Gundam Wing.
Sure, all the Gundam piliots are boys, but lets not forget about the women of Gundam Wing. The seductive Dorothy(even with those big eyebrows), the commanding Noin, Sally Po, Hildy, Catherine, and even, Relena. How many of the Eva girls have controled the world and sported a school-girl outfit at the same time?
With the "cute girl" factor, a bigger fanbase and over-all power on its side, Gundam Wing is the clear victor!
First of all, let me just say that, though I am a peaceful life form who firmly believes that all sentient life has the right to exist as they please, I would totally kick the s#!+ out of these miserable excuses for overblown microwave ovens.
But I digress.
As the preview says, this battle is quite close. However, in the end, this battle will not come down to strength, speed, intelligence, experience, or any of the usual fare. Nay, my fellow life-forms, one shall stand, one shall fall, and this match has already been decided.
Have you ever even TRIED to put a level 7 Gundam model together in anything less than a week?
Evangelion takes it up the tailpipe quicker than Ultra-Magnus in a Decepticon prison.
I could offer a point-by-point analysis as I did with the last fight.
But I'm simply going to state that the Gundams have to win. Why?
Anyone cool enough to say "The God of Death is back from Hell" AND persuade Cartoon Network to air that line gets my vote.
The EVAs get spanked like Vegeta on one of Bulma's kinky nights.
Ah-hem. One thing to note:
Gundam's size: 60 feet.
Eva's size: 600 feet.
This fight should have roughly the same outcome as Galactus vs. Ant Man.
Also, the picture for Eva suggests a possible lesbian scene. As Harley said, we all know where the Fanboy's heart lies.
The fight depends heavily at from which point in their respective timelines you take the Eva's/Gundams. I'll take the TV series of both and exclude movies. The engagement would have to take place somewhere on Earth (The Evas can't come out to play in space.) I'll also assume that everyone is piloting their respective mecha (the Gundam kids seem to enjoy swapping their mecha like Pokemon cards.)
This is a battle that should be over in less than a minute.
Once the Gundam Wing kids get wise enough to cut the Evangellion's power cables (not too hard to figure out, even for them :), the Eva's still have that single minute of peak operating power left before they shut down, during which they will rend the ground based Gundams limb from limb. (If unit 01 has the S2 organ, it doesn't need to worry about power however.) The Eva's excel in bloody hand to hand combat, and have the speed and agility to close on the Gundams with ease. I'm unsure of the effectiveness of a progressive knife against Gundamium, but failing that the Eva's will break them the old fashioned way - by tearing off appendages with their bare hands. The Gundam Wing pilots are so used to honourable beam sabre fights and using Leos for target practise, I would expect the sheer ferocity of the Eva's to overcome them (especially if 01 goes beserk.) The time in which they can prise open the walking tin cans and feast on the spam inside is critical however.
Heavyarms' guns and missiles can't do squat against an AT field.
DeathScythe and Sandrock are close combat only and severly outmatched in strength and speed. Even if they score a hit and are able to penetrate the Eva's AT field and injure them, the units have a good capacity to fight while critically damaged, including limited regeneration.
Shenlong is a no hoper. The upgraded Altron could stand a decent shot with its turret mounted beam cannons, but if anyone deserves to leave this fight filling up a coffin, its that jerk WuFei. With any luck Asuka will teach him a sharp and painful lesson in respecting women.
Hiding underwater is an option (albeit a cowardly one) for the GW pilots, as the Eva's have trouble there without properly prepared equipment and the Gundams don't, but finding and getting the chance to exploit that weakness during the battle seems unlikely and is heavily dependant on terrain.
IMHO the only Gundam who stands a chance is Wing Zero, because it can fly out of reach. Whether Heero chooses to do so depends on the terms of the engagement (if its a duel, he may be stuck in close combat before the thought occurs to him.) Its also been shown that high energy beam weapons can cut through strong AT fields, although the original buster rifle can only be fired three times before requiring a full recharge. Whether this weakness applies to the twin buster on Wing Zero I don't know, but Heero will have to choose his shots extremely well, and hope that each hit is enough to destroy an Eva. Rather a gamble considering that the Eva's can shoot back from the ground with considerable force. Some of their heavier rifles should be enough to knockdown, if not critically damage Wing Zero, but then they have to do it in less than a minute, after dispatching the other four Gundams. (not a problem for 01 with the S2 naturally.)
I'd give it to the Nerv kids 7/10, even with 5vs3 numbers and time against them. Winning unpredictable fights against technically stronger opponents is what they do dammit! The Gundam Wing kids spend their time duck shooting opponents who can barely scratch them and they are in for a big surprise.
This match will result in a tie, because all anime is the same.
When, in the history of giant robot cartoons, has the side with numbers ever won? Tell me that, and I'll believe that Gundam has a a chance.
If Gundam Wing WIns this fight, it would absolutly ludicrous. That would be up there with the X-men vs. JLA fight. I mean, lets look at the big picture here:
1) An Eva has an AT field. Gundam's don't. Therefore, they can't do squat against the Evangelions. Gundam weapons, even the buster rifle, would bounce off of the AT field.
2) Gundamium is strong, but Eva's shrug off Nuclear blasts WITHOUT THEIR AT FIELD.
3) Prog Knifes cut through matter at a molecular level. It doesn't matter if a Gundam is made of Gundamium or plastic, its gonna get sliced, or simply ripped apart by the Eva's hands.
4) Cutting an umbilical cable is easier said that done. Even if it is done, an Eva can go berserk and move without power. If Eva-01 has its S2 core, then the fight is over.
5) Eva's go berserk= things die. We've seen Eva's rip through time and space, regenerate lost limbs, and much more when they go berserk.
6) Eva long range weapons would damage Gundams. Note the size difference. Eva's are about 60 meters tall. Gundam's come up to its ankle. The energy blasts fired by a Positron rifle may not seem like much from an Eva's point of view, but for a gundam, well, those blasts are each bigger than the Gundam's head.
7) Is speed an issue? Well, need I remind you that in Episode 12 Unit 01 moved so fast it could not be seen by the human eye.
Evangelion wins this easily.
This can be a tough call. I've only seen a few of actual fight scenes for Gundam Wing, But I a familiar with the whole Gundam universe. I've seen plenty of Eva, though. Let's compare the strengths of the two.
Arsenal - This is a series that believes in weaponry. Machine guns, auto cannons, missle launchers, energy blades, you name it, they got it. Usually all on one mech! These things are walking battleships.
Maneuverablity - Quite a lot of the mechs are flight capable, and all appear to have booters/jump jets, so they could be difficult for the Eva crew to tag.
Arsenal - While the Evas only come equiped with a progressive knife, they can use a wide variety of weapons eaquvalent to the Gundams, they just have to find them. If things get really desparate, they can just chuck debris at the Gundams, at escape velocity they should inflict serious damage. :)
Defensive - Can you say 'AT field?' I thought you could... So far as I have seen, only progressive knives, rediculously high powered particle beams, and other AT fields can penetrate an AT field. The Gundams may never get to inflict damage before they deplete thier ammo. Oh yeah, Unit 01 can regenerate, too.
In the end, I'd have to give this one to the Evas, so long as they stick to a 5-minute plan. That way, if they lose their power cords they'll be okay. Besides, Evas can survive point blank N-2 mine blasts, which are equivalent to small nukes. Nothing I've seen shows the Gundams to be that durable.
This is going to be a massacre. No massacre doesn't cover the depths of this traversity of a mismatch. In such a confined space and on the ground, Gundam is going down faster that the hindenburg caught in a solar flare.
First the EVA's are 36+ meters tall, the Gundam are only 18 meters. The EVA's can drop kick the gundam units out of the way.
Second weaponry. Gundam units are largely limited to high energy beams and Missles. The AT fields on the EVA's have been able to get through short range nuclear detonations without a scratch. The only way to get through an AT field is with another one. While the gundam attack futilely the eva's blast away with various oversized guns.
Third; The Gundam armies are numbered in battlions. But a wing though is at most 36 mecha. This gives 36 gundam for a full strength forces. There are 13 eva avaliable at most (numbers 0 through to 12). The evangelions will be slightly outnumbered.
Fourth; the pilots of gundam are relatively normal. Compare this to an egotistical violent german with a superiority complex, a nhilistic near robotic chick and of course a male with enough complexes to reconstruct an industrial park. AND thats ignoring the support crew.
Fifth; Gundam fight hostile nations. EVA fights OLD TESTAMENT angels. These arn't the wimpy love thy neighbour type who appear on touched by an angel. They are the burn with fire and sword type, A single one took out the best 1/2 of the planet in the first strike.
But what if the gundam cut the cords giving the eva's only 5 minutes of reserve power?
1) Rei Kamikazes. An N2 mine would easily leave a 5 mile crater, within this only her compatriots are left standing (incidentially rei will be replaced & come back)
2) Auska goes bezerk and takes out at least 9 gundams before falling
3) Shinji noticing rei & auska fall GOES BEZERK. EVA-01 AWAKENS. In this state It Slices, it dices, It goes through everything and regenerates. If any of the gundam are still standing they notice third impact occuring in which shinji ascends to Omnipitant power!
In conclusion to quote Auska "I've got 1800 tonnes of armour and an AT Field and you think you can stop me"
The winner of this battle will not be determined by piloting skills, destructive power, weaponry, armor, or technology. Both sides have those in spades.
This battle will be determined by the one factor that Japanese Giant Robot series all seem to have - the Arrogant Adolescent Factor. Robotech had Rick (in his early days) and Minmei. The Power Rangers? 'nuff said. In other words, which side can be more insufferably arrogant, boastful, and more deserving of getting spanked by an elder with a heavy spiked club to 'learn em' some manners?
From what I've seen of these two series, nobody beats Gundam Wing's kiddies for incredible arrogance.
I've been forced to watch a few episodes of Gundam Wing. I've never seen this Evangelion thing. Gundam Wing may have caused me to bleed internally. The picture for Evangelion had Anime babes touching each other. This wasn't a hard pick.
of course, nothing the gundams have, not even the wing zero's rediculous double buster rifle, is probably capeable of penatrateing those absolute terror fields. After the first of their number got offed (probably quatre) the gundams, being the sensible combat gods that they are, would realize they didn't have a chance and simulaniusly strike upon the idea of detonating the mini nukes in their suits all at once. At this point everyone starts making eloquent speeches, whose jist is "we're gona die." except for trowa, who is quite enjoying the prospect of an excuse to blow himself to small peices. they execust some briliant zero system guided maneuver to place themselves for maximum damage to the enemy, and self detonate, killing everyone. Of course, Hiro and rei suvive the detonation, though their suits do not, and have a nice fist fight. And everyone dies at the end.
Of -course- I'd return to the CBUB with this one. Well, let's look first at what they're supposed to be in their own universe. The (craapy fake) Gundams (not real Gundams at all, give my the REAL timeline) are supposedly real fast and durable, and about 15 meters tall. The EVA's are actually animated as faster reacting, and are 500 meters tall. Some may claim that the fact that Gundam Wing itself can fly would give it an advantage, but to that I can only say... Positron Rifle. If the entire energy output of the island of Japan is coming your way in a five meter wide beam, you have a problem. On top of this, the AT fields of the EVA's can resist so-called "N2" weapons, which are supposed to be a nuclear type weapon developed in the 21st century, with little or no visible damage at all. The wimpy particle rifles of the (crappy fake) Gundams couldn't even scratch it, let alone the missiles and guns of HeavyArms, or those stupis swords of Sandrock, or the scythe of Deathscyth.
Three giants swatting annoying, harmless gnats.
Eva has this battle hands down. they have the good kind of psycho pilots. the kind who get dropped into what they're doing and do it while trying to figure out what the hell is going on. GW has the wrong kind of psycho pilots: they have a constant air about them of "I'm too good for you." Plus, Eva has GW beat in one other MAJOR area: storyline. Eva had a decent, flowing storyline with viable characters and no screwball turns. there were surprises, yes, but nothing too stupid. GW, i couldn't even begin to understand where the thing was going beyond the 5th episode. there were too many twists and turns in what little plot GW had. It's like the writers of GW took a mouse on crack, tied an ink pen to it's ass, and let it go. they then looked at the line the mouse drew and said, "that's what our plotline should look like." Go Eva!
Gundam's! Come on! They have addbass pilots and have cool names like Heavy Arms. What could you ask for. And what's this knock from Harley about them not being sentient? I've seen one operate without a pilot. In fact, it sacrificed itself to save it's pilot. Now let's see one of those chix mechs do that!
You know, Evangelion may have cute, incredibly sexy, jaw droppingly gorgeous babes with with overexagerated and accentuated feminine characteristics but... wait a minute.... what am I saying?! Is it too late to change my vote?!
First off, I'd like to establish that I love Gundam. I have DVDs. I have comics. I have a action figure model kit. I have a tee-shirt. I have video games. I have MP3s of all but one of the songs TWO-MIX did for the series. But, no matter my love of Gundam, I know Heero and company have no chance of victory. The Gundams are excellent machines. The Evas are not. They are monsters.
Jeff "T-Rex" Hayes
Well you know how kids like to curse? Gundam Wing gives them an excuse to. This alone gives The Gundam Wing crew an edge. The machines they use are huge. The Neon Evangelion guys are going to be gone like pancakes at a brunch thrown by "The Rock". We smell what "The Rock" is cooking and it is Pancakes